Casper's story
I have decided to tell Casper's full story. One of the drivers for this was Muriel's recent defection from EE on the grounds that EEers seem unable to understand that nicely, nicely just does not do the job, and neither is it fair, for some horses. Another is that I am sure there are many people who believe I bought Casper as a dealer to make money on, and I'd like to finally put the record straight on that. I think enough time has passed that Lucie shouldn't be too upset even if she does come across this, and that it is so much less a public forum than EE was so I feel able to put my complete side of this story. First, I bought Casper, unseen apart from photos, intending to keep him. I thought he was a wonderful colour and I'd never had a coloured before.
Unfortunately, he was extremely photogenic, and when he arrived he was no more than a very decent Riding Club horse, and I needed more than that to warrant him staying. I had taken the precaution of telling Lucie that I would not guarantee him a permanent home, and I also urged her many times over many weeks between January and mid March when he arrived, to sell him to someone else for more money than I was prepared to pay her. When he arrived, not only was I disappointed with his quality, but I also found that his passport was "not known" for his parentage and was not even a passport for any breed society, just a cover-all British Horse Database one. Lucie had assured me that he was part warmblood and well bred, and while I am sure this is what she had herself been told, I had no firm evidence whatsoever to suggest that it was true. If I remember right, the passport had been obtained by his breeder, and surely they would have been able to supply the documentation that would have seen his parents recorded? He had an extremely long back - much of it in very weak loins - (the longest I've ever owned for his height) and a very high knee action in canter (he was part hackney) which prevented him from really galloping.
Apart from his physical limitations, he arrived desperately thin. I was so concerned about how thin he was that I actually contacted Heather to ask what she thought had been going on, knowing that she was in the middle of training Lucie to be an EE instructor. Heather told me that he must have lost the weight travelling. I find that impossible to believe - he only came from Exeter, which is motorway almost door to door. He arrived dry and calm with no sign of having been in any way agitated by the journey. I have to say that Lucie had not been deliberately underfeeding him, she honestly, genuinely, believed that he was fat. She laid her hand on his belly while we were all together and laughed about how fat he was. I think this was a case of a gradual loss of weight, that because she saw him all the time (she lived on site at the stables), she did not notice it. And because he wasn't ridden, other people didn't see him without his rug on, so there was no-one to point it out to her. It happened to me with my first horse in a livery stables, so I know that it's quite easy not to notice something that happens so gradually.
The belly was over-development of the stomach muscles, in compensation for his extremely weak back. I did not consider him fit to ride. I put him out in the field for a whole month before I sat on him. In that time, I brought out a saddle to try to fit it to him, and I was ten feet away from him with it in my arms when he saw it, groaned out loud, and sank his back six inches. It was an extraordinary reaction, I've never seen anything like it before or since. I'm totally satisfied that Lucie had his back checked, and that there was, by this time, nothing wrong with him physically, if there ever had been. He had not been ridden, to all intents and purposes, for five months - due to his unpredictable ability to produce wild bronking - and he certainly seemed to me to anticipate something nasty from being saddled.
When I did finally sit on him, he felt like a dog with worms, dragging his bottom to scratch the itch. I spoke to Lucie about it and she said he always did it with anyone new. I was pretty concerned about it, I've never felt the like of it from any horse I've ever sat on. Anyway, I used to ride him at first standing up over his wither, and only sat down once he was moving well, and after a few days he stopped and never did it again. His schooling progressed well and I began hacking him out, where he proved to be quite a coward but amenable to being pushed to do stuff he was afraid of - the "oh shut up and get on with it" school of training - I used this method with him consistently and he responded very well to someone else taking responsibility for him. The "there's a good boy, pat, pat, nothing to worry about" approach just did not work for this horse, who either thought that he was being rewarded for his nervous behaviour and produced more of it, or thought that it meant that he was right to worry in the first place, and so worried even more.
In his work, his head carriage looked pretty but the back was not engaged at all, and the first month was used simply getting him to release his back and walk. I cheered the first day he asked for a long rein and stretched his neck - I ran into the house to tell Superhubby :-) At the same time as that happened, he began to keep his ears forward when he was ridden. Previously, whenever I was in the saddle his ears were pinned to his head, as they were in every photo Lucie had sent me of him.
Did he ever buck? - yes. The first time was when he was fit, well, working beautifully in a walk and from right out of the blue with no warning at all. I fell off. I was totally sure that there was no reason for him to have done it at all. I hit him - hard, really hard, as hard as I could, on a meaty part of his bum. He did not try to pull away, which I have found is not unusual in horses that know that they have done wrong and think that the punishment is justified. I got back on and he was an angel. About a month later he tried the same trick. I did the same thing. That was about the end of May/beginning June, and from then until he left in December he never even so much as threatened to buck again. In time, the belly went, he put on loads of weight, he grew an inch, his narrow chest widened by about 4 inches, he behaved well at every show I took him to, and he turned into a horse that I was happy to sell to a very competent 12 year old with an on-site trainer who also came to see him. I've recently seen a picture of him showjumping used on the promotional literature for Eland Lodge, so he seems to be doing fine. The new owners promised to email me to let me know, but they never have so I can only assume that they would have been knocking at the door if he'd regressed. They knew his full history, and I put them in touch with Lucie to reassure her that he had gone to a great home.
I would have liked a project just like him this summer, and part of the reason why I'm writing this instead of being outside doing stuff is because I don't have one and I'm bored :-)))))) C
ps I also hope that this helps people understand why I am so slow to call in "the Experts" when a horse is behaving "wrongly". This horse had every expert to him over time - Lucie had really tried to get him sorted out, she loved him desperately and she wanted to keep him. Not one of those behavioural experts or back experts or vets or yard managers or semi-pro riders had helped her or Casper to find a way to stay together. I prefer to trust my own judgement. It costs less, and so far it's worked well.
pps and just in case you think I'm exaggerating, here are the pictures of him an hour after he was left in my care.

32 Comments:
fI too much prefer to work with a horse's issues myself--until it gets too dangerous for me. As I've gotten older, that time gets sooner than later.
I also have a very small list of professionals I can trust if I need to rely on anyone. That includes a really good vet or two or three.
Your story of Casper is inspiring. Here was a horse everyone had given up on and with proper care, and good riding, you managed to reclaim him. It's great to hear he is still doing well.
So many people get rid of horses that pose difficulties. I know my PJ would have been rejected over and over as he had all kinds of "issues." Yet kind handling, and acupuncture for the muscle soreness that was causing most of his problems eventually created as kind and loving a horse as I could ever want.
My very first riding instuctor used to buy horses at the auction. We, as riders, never quite knew what was going to happen when we got into the saddle. I don't recall her ever having to get rid of one once they'd been schooled with her.
My new current trainer has spent much of his time reschooling "bad" horses, and I know my favorite trainer, Lockie Richards, was a master of working difficult horses to bring them to their full potential.
Today, the theory seems to be the quick fix. People discard horses one after another and simply go out to buy new ones. It's sad, really, to think of how many horses might have had good lives and instead are discarded.
I know this story and saw pics of Casper when I visited ..im actually really pleased to decided to tell the whole story.
It has disappointed me on many occasions when Iv read comments of how 'sad' and 'regretfull' said person was that she'd sold him to you.
I would be over the moon if my apparently dangerous horse who'd hospitalised me on several occasion was rehabilitated and was safe to go onto a lovely new home with a 12yeard old.
Iam the proud new owner of a new horse,I bought Alagado from Rach at St Piran's!
It was hard for me to believe a 3yr old could be so sensible.He's about as far removed from Polo in everyway possible which is going to so refreshing for me.
Cant quite believe its happening but will have to get round to starting a blog so I can get advice from you all..im sure im going to need it!
Nicola
I agree with everything that you say Jean. I'd just like to add that I don't include Lucie in the people who give up too easily - she had him two years and in the end she made a wise and very heartbreaking move in selling him to me. For whatever reason his bronking started, it had got beyond her ability to fix it and it was very brave of her to admit that to herself and in public.
I think perhaps you may also be unaware that when I started to tell the story of reschooling him on EE I took the most enormous amount of personal abuse from two people, one of whom sent me a vitriolic personal message of about a page of A4 (Quarto to you!) The jist of their problem was that the horse "obviously" had physical issues and that I should have got an expert to tell me what they were. It's rankled for two years and I finally feel I've been able to get it off my chest!
I do, though, think that the cheapness of livery now means that there are huge numbers of people keeping horses who would previously have been once-a-week Riding School riders. I see those people doing exactly what you say - buying smart looking horses that are too much for them, and then either turning them over for the next one or simply never riding them.
A friend of mine used to manage a local livery centre and she said that most of the owners never actually rode. Let's say she was exagerating and it was 1/3 of them. That still means in a yard of 60 boxes there we 20 good horses being kept just as pets. I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping a horse as a pet if that's what you want to do and you have the money. I just think that so many of those people would have been much happier keeping, and riding, an "unfashionable" stocky half breed.
C.
Anyone who hadn't seen Alagado needs to check him out on EE. He is SPEC TAC CU LAR !!
Congratulations Nicola, I'll be up to see him when you've taken delivery.
C
Bythe way Nicola, your email is bouncing!
C
I have done some Googling and Casper is still with the girl I sold him to. They came 4th in an OPEN Hunter Trials in May, and in June they finished 10th on their dressage score (35, pretty decent!) in the Pony Club One Day Event. I'm thrilled for her, she is obviously right on his wavelength!!
Interesting story about Casper. Actually the "not patting for bad behaviour" is EXACTLY what Kathleen Lindley said (Mark Rashid's apprentice) at a recent clinic. I always think that is is why men, often, are more successful riders. They expect the horse to behave, and often it just does!
Also I sometimes wonder if horses misbehaving understand that they are doing wrong, do their riders always make it plain that the action is undesirable? Or just sit there and wonder why they are misbehaving. My last horse would, very occasionally buck. I got to anticipate this (squeal, intake of breath) so I used to yell "NO" down her ear and it would stop her bucking and she very soon got out of the habit.
Jazz "fixing" on the the next fence. Yes - my eventer used to do that, he looked for the next set of flags! He wasn't always right though. I remember doing a very short riding club course once, and he could see a post and rail fence on the other side of the field that had a red marker post (the old gas line) and he was certain that it was the next fence and was going flat out towards it when we had really finished.
Judith
And I meant to say about people owning horses who shouldn't be! One local farmers has a livery and he remarks that no-one seems to ride very much, they come and look after the horse, but that was about it. Other places the horses hardley go out of the school (often because the riders can't get them out of the drive.) And other places where a 30 minute ride is considered "medium work."
Oh dear, I am sounding like a grumpy old woman. Sorry!
What is often astonishing is how horses alter when handled and ridden by different people. I KNOW there are dodgy dealers, but I know a couple who are dealers of general riding horses, and they were often asked to help with difficult horses - but they wouldn't have any difficulty because the horses recognised that they knew what they were doing. They could also sell someone a perfectly OK horse, only to have them complaining a month later that the horse was misbehaving, etc. etc., whereas the problem was the new owner, not the horse.
Judith
"They expect the horse to behave, and often it just does! "
I've lost count of the number of people who comment how amazing it is that my horses follow me through a tiny doorway into the barn. They have to duck their head to get through it, and there is about 3 inches clearance on the saddle on each side. I never thought about it until someone commented first time - I just expect them to trust me that they fit. If I tell them they fit, then they should believe me that they fit. It's amazing how willing horses are to believe us if we are positive enough as leaders - you have to be right though!
Interestingly, the one horse who would never trust me on that door is the one I sent to auction because he was so opintionated that I didn't want to sell him privately and have his new owner fail to manage him and be ringing me to complain. He's the one who went through several homes until he settled with someone who is now regularly eliminated in Intro ODEs. She says that she can't understand how I ever got him to do Pre-novices - I guess he trusted me far enough to believe that he could do that.
Grumpy old woman Judith - you and me both.
I'm glad you too had the joys of a flag-spotter - Tetley was one and he was the most superb ride cross country :-)
C
Thanks for the whole story Caroline. I did not know it. I joined EE 6 months before you left.
Now that I am not brain-washed by EE. I find weird all these experts you have in the UK. Here in Italy you have a vet, a farrier and an instructor. There are the only experts available ... No saddle fitter, AC, body worker, reiki, bowen, acupuncture etc ...
The only saddle-fitter I found was British, she sold me two WOW saddles, then went AWOL. IMO Both saddles were not fitted properly and I believe there are partly the cause of my nasty fall and my trainer's fall ( from two different horses with two different WOW saddles). If I were in the UK, I would have made a complaint or something, but being in Italy, it was not possible ... I believe this person does NOT work for WOW anymore ... No comments
So I do not know many experts, I do not like them. In my short horse ownership in Italy, I have already met a pseudo-instructor/horse-trainer and a crap farrier, who spent time walloping horses, and a rogue vet, who wanted to blister my mare for nothing , and so-called barefoot trimmer who lamed 3 horses ...
So I would not go into looking for others experts LOL.
Yes, there are a "new breed of horse owner" the typical adult beginner ( waving my hand here), which is the target for the Parelli program BTW. In Italy, people use horses, like they go to the cinema, it is for THEIR pleasure, so the horse is used once a week, then left alone for the whole week, looked after by "real" expert.
In the Uk, I have the feeling that many people are not on livery yard, they have their horses at home and treat them as pet. They find support on internet forum ... Now as I have lately found out there are many internet expert-on-line ... I only realise it when my mare became a challenge and I was advised by "proper/real" expert. I realised that some advises given on EE to more novice owners than me, were absolutely BS. I had to bit my fingers for not antagonising many forum experts. But when communicating via emails to others members they agreed with me. I cannot stand hypocrisis, it is another reason why I left EE.
Even in the barefoot movement is full of BS. I have one succesfull barefoot horse and one" failed " shod horse. I have also witnessed 3 horses LAMED by pseudo-barefoot trimmer, one of them is my Morgan, whom we sucessfully trim he has not taken a lame step for a year.
That was another reason why I barely posted on the barefoot forum too.
Anyho, I believe that 20-30 yrs ago, many horses were treated too roughly and abused, but nowadays it is the reverse many horses are just spoilt, and to give back some ground rules does not hurt!
But in the UK, you have this "Lala-land" marketing working on middle-age childless tree-hugging housewife, or late 20s girl. "everything must be nice, pretty and fair, riding should not be too physical --> light invisible aids, and horses must be treated humanely---> no smacking it could stress them ..."
IMO, it is all BS and lies and hypocrisis. In order to use EFFICIENT light or invisble aids, you need to undergo a proper rider training, i.e many hours in the saddle under the scrutinity of a good trainer, not just hacking. And not everybody is gifted!
You need a horse that has been trained to that level too! Riding well a horse is different than training a horse ...
Sorry for the rant. But I got so frustrated!
Thanks God! in France and Italy the horse world is mainly male-dominated so there is not this Lala-land marketing :-)
Casper was lucky to have you to sort him out and help him to get over his fears. I am glad he has become good horse for a tennage girl.
I agree with Mark Rashid that horses want to get along with us. As long as we give them clear directions ...
well i knew nothing about casper, but glad to hear he's doing well.
I know what yo mean linda about "lala" stuff - it is rot. (possibly why i don't go on "the secret" sub forum
on the other hand, one learns a lot...
nicola, new horse? wow....
Muriel just to let you know that I had exactly the same two-faced behaviour from some EE posters about the saddle argument that Heather had with me. Privately, they were emailing me with all sorts of gripes about the saddles and EE's customer service. Publicly, they were telling Heather how wonderful she was!
There are also many people on DIY livery yards that charge £15-£30 a week for a stable and grazing in the UK. It makes it possible for a huge number of people who never used to be able to afford it to keep their own horse. Lots of them do a great job, but I have to agree with anyone who suggests that many of them just don't have the skills or knowledge to be keeping a horse. The worst problem that I can see is that it is so out of fashion to own a good middleweight with thick legs and a slow brain - so many people are just overhorsing themselves, then get scared and keep the creatures like some sort of living Cindy doll to hang multi-coloured rugs on all year round :-(
Ooooh we are ranting today, aren't we?????
C
Casper was fun Claire, to take him from what he was (unrideable) and make him a suitable ride for a tall twelve year old. What satisfaction :-) !!
Of course in my arrogance I thought I'd do the same with Smartie. Well you can't win 'em all, can you :-))) ?
C
I haven't been a member of EE in a very long time.. I still read to catch up on certain people I enjoy reading (you were the major one of them Muriel, now I have to go find your blogspot account!).
I don't know enough to pick the BS from the truth in most of the posts (hence why I tend to depend on my vet/instructor etc) and I admit I have learned quite a bit of both what to do and what not to do; but what actually drove me off posting much at all was the amount of name dropping by H and others. 'As I was saying to *big name* not so long ago' etc. I tend to find it rather too daunting to pitch in after that... reminds me too much of gossiping socialites.
Muriel, my instructor sounds a bit like yours, is there any way I can see the taboo video? I just want to see for myself and judge for myself the merits of advice given or not.
I wasn't aware of Casper's story either, not beyond you buying him from Lucie and then deciding he wasn't for you.
I'm glad he's doing well now, just goes to show what a bit of common sense can achieve.
I'm no longer a member of EE, though one of their members is a livery on my yard and I can tell you that what is posted on that board and what actually happens in reality are two entirely different things. To read this persons posts the horse sounds like it was a serious project with every problem under the sun, yet in reality the only person who ever had problems handling or riding it was the owner. The poor horse is now miserable as sin and everyone but the owner can see it. It amazes me how no-one can see through the rubbish that gets posted, but I suppose that's easy to say when you're on the outside looking in vs caught up in the moment.
" But in the UK, you have this "Lala-land" marketing working on middle-age childless tree-hugging housewife, " oooh that would be ME then! ;-)
Nice to hear from you Styric. I'm glad that you think my stuff is interesting enough to keep reading :-) I had the same problem as you with the name dropping too. I went on a course with two other girls with Stephen Hadleigh once and it was purgatory every dinner time with all the "I was speaking to so and so". They mentioned one guy and were criticizing him and I said "Can't you tell, he's an anal retentive?" It means "he's stuck at the potty stage as a baby and has to have everything "just so" to feel at ease". They were appalled that I had SO insulted this famous person :-)))
Anon, I've heard similar stories of what's posted being totally different from reality. And being anonymous, the internet does strange things to people. They feel free to be rude without thinking of the consequences. And others can present as experts when they are nothing of the sort. That's why I have never poted with anything but my real name - I stnad by every word I say, or I apologise if I got it wrong. Since EE is now subscription only, you can bet your bottom dollar that most people with real knowledge won't PAY to go on there and help people with their advice, so it has become self-perpetuating. Heather recently berated people for not posing serious questions like they do on Intelligent Horsemanship. One -it's a bit rich to berate people who are paying you to know better than them. Two - IH is free, so people with real experience will share it. Three - by taking fees, it has created a site of predominantly novices and people lacking in confidence needing emotional or practical support, and now Heather has a dig that they aren't asking more serious questions! I love reading it though, it's very often unintentionally very funny :-)
Ooooh what fun, another rant!!!
C
ps I've often wondered why I am so compelled to write my blog. I don't know. I just love writing, and sharing my news, but I guess I have a basic and very strong need to be in communication with people. Don't be fooled though, you could hate me if you met me, you really don't know "me" at all :-) !!
Housewife Mandeigh?!!?!?!???
You who doesn't know what an iron is? I don't think so!
:-)
Let's be honest here. I don't have any time for Heather but that picture is taken when the horse is being bent towards the camera. That is going to make it look worse than it is. You should apply for a job with the government. It looks like some of you have got a grudge.
Y
"You who doesn't know what an iron is? I don't think so!"
Hey... I resemble that remark :-)
nice lot of comments....
Ditto the comment about the ribs - to coin a phrase I could look make myself look like Victoria Beckham if I bend over far enough...
I'm sorry that those of you feel the need to spill that amount of bile - surely we can live and let live! (oh heck is that a bunny I forgot to hug???)
Niki Jones aka Fizzbw, only cos that's who I've been for over 10years on the web.
Oh I've never left! I just have to bypass my work's page blockers to post comments ;) I'm also more of a quiet type.
I haven't ridden in months, damaged my back and I'm letting it heal.
Styric - here is my blog http://painsandjoysoftrainingprincesslinda.blogspot.com/
I have deleted the taboo video. My poor trainer went into existential crisis. We worked through all the harsh comments made by HM. It was funny that when she posted an intelligent feedback, we had already done what she was saying except for one thing or two.
I respect HM as remedial instructor. Her comments on-line have always been spot-on. However, I have my reserves as a horse trainer or rider, b/c in 2 years being on EE I have NEVER seen her riding ...
Yes I hold a grudge. EE used to be an exceptional place on the net, where intelligent articulate open-minded people use to meet. It was an instructive, friendly intellectual challenging place.
I mourn its lost.
Caroline - Yes I have seen this post. I thought it was hilarious. HM spent time weeding out the most experienced rider from her board and now she complains that nobody challenges intellectually LOL ;-) Very funny.
If you wonder, yes I go lurking on EE to check on the few left people I respect. However, most of them have left now, or they post sporadically.
Mandeigh - Sorry! I forgot to add pre-menopausal too :-)
"Ditto the comment about the ribs - to coin a phrase I could look make myself look like Victoria Beckham if I bend over far enough...
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Yes but Fizzbw, you can't make a horse appear to have such a lack of topline as those pics show. That can't be faked, though I realise a lot of people don't recognise lack of topline or muscle wastage even when it's right in their face.
Of course I hold a grudge! There was absolute bile written about me both publicly and particularly privately by Heather and other people! I could not put the horse stuff right without making Lucie look bad, and I decided that enough time had now passed to take that risk and get things off my chest.
The picture is a true representation of how thin the horse was and I can, should you so wish, produce several witnesses who saw him that afternoon and the next day who will tell you so. Every rib showed when he was standing dead straight. You can see the top of his spine in the second photo which is taken with him bent the other way.
What's more, I have it in writing from Lucie that he was being fed only forage and a balancer, and as a nearly TB looking horse anyone will tell you that a winter on that diet will leave most of them pretty thin.
I thought he was too thin and weak to ride, and I don't lightly leave a horse in the field unridden, I can't wait to get on their backs!
This is a personal blog and on a personal blog I can write whatever I feel like which is not libellous. I'm sorry if you don't like it Y and Fizzbw, but I'm pleased that you find my blog interesting enough to keep following it.
C
As I said when I first posted I followed your progress on EE with Smartie and later Casper until you were hounded out. I was not aware that HM was involved in this process but assumed that it was by fringe tree hugging members who became very personal in their comments I always felt there was some sort of underlying current and there was more to it. I am old fashioned in the fact that if it needs a wack they get one! God forbid if that horse realises it is bigger and stronger than you, your in big trouble you cant pussy foot around half a done of muscle and bone, I am obviously not an advocate of violence and bullying a horse. I truely found it uncomfortable reading and stopped looking for awhile then when I checked again you had gone. I too mourn the site from old where I spent every lunch time & evening glued to the screen. I very rarely visit and every time I do it is a dissapointment. They are so cruel and patronising, I feel you would be a very brave person to put any sort of picture or video up for the inevitable tirade of abuse which would come forth about your riding etc. Tis a shame because there are many roads to Rome and effective ways to get the best from you and your horse not are all wrong and not are all right, the more I learn the more I realise the less I know. At the end of the day most of us are hobby riders and do it for fun and the love of the horse. But a few always have to spoil it by taking it too serious.
I was talking to an old lady the other day and she said there are a lot of people who have horses but these days they are very few horse people, and she is right.
Keep on Blogging
Anne x
Nice to hear from you Anne (I would say that wouldn't I - you were very nice about me :-)))))))) I'm just about to write today's instalment.
Styric I'm sorry about your back - nasty things backs.SH has a bad one and we sleep on water bed. You might consider it if things stay difficult.
http://www.enlightenedequitation.com/ee/boards/index.php?topic=21412.0
http://www.enlightenedequitation.com/ee/boards/index.php?topic=20274.0
:-)
HM once rode my horse - she got off after about 10 mins saying he was too difficult (!), truth was my horse looked uncomfortable and unhappy - he was relieved to see her climb off and I was left disillusioned!
I respect her passion but wish it was more usefully channelled - rather than making out she's always victimised and misunderstood. The truth is she makes a rod for her own back.
She accused me on a number of occasions of mistreating my horse and became very vitriolic and unreasonable.
I thank her for only one thing - the SBS saddle which is the only saddle my horse accepts willingly and goes beautifully in but even that was a farce if you read her assertions about it on EE.
Anyway rant over!!
Caroline i'd rather read this than EE by any stretch, although often yours doesn't quite match EE's comedy value! Keep blogging.
Cassie
Well I knew I wasn't alone in feeling that we have been insulted Cassie :-) My problems started when I dared to PM (yes, Private Message, it was not me who caused a public fight) and suggest two changes to the Fhoenix. Funnily enough, both those changes have now been done, but never a word of apology for saying that I caused my prolite fillers to flatten by being too heavy with my thighs :-)
Heather was very complimentary about Tetley and my riding when I guinea pigged for her in a clinic a few years ago. I doubt if she says the same things now!:-)
C
Really pleased you've come to the conclusion that Jazz just needs more time to mature physically. I know the warmblood people have always said they take a long time to mature and i'm sure your patience will pay dividends in the future.
Let him tell you when his brain and body have caught up with his breeding - you're good at listening as today proves.
T
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