The plan of action!
Muriel asked a question yesterday and this is my answer. The concensus of opinion among my very experienced friends is that they would have sent him back before two months were up! A professional showjumper or eventer couldn't afford to waste the time on him, he'd have gone long ago while they concentrated their efforts on something that made progress quicker. Jeanette Brakewell (British Team Member) said she'd get rid of him when I asked her, but she'd never heard of anything like him either!
I've not found anyone who has had a horse like this one, never mind actually worked through the problem. I ask everyone I meet! The real experts get rid - not because the horse won't be great in the end, but because they simply haven't time to wait without knowing for certain that they will eventually succeed. The ones who keep them give up jumping and stick to dressage. It's only idiots like me that actually try and see it through!
Superhubby and I had a long talk about him today. The thing that makes him so frustrating is how much we have achieved. Before the operation you'll remember that I was doubtful that he would actually enjoy jumping. He does now, and is very confident of his abilities. He will even jump when he doesn't much feel like it, when I tell him to. That's an enormous distance from where we were in October. What we have left is this over-reaction where he takes an enormous dislike to something apparently innoccuous, and insists that he has the right to decide what to do about it. That's a pretty fatal flaw in an eventer if we can't sort it.
But we have almost cracked that out riding. It's taken over a year, but each battle we have reduces the length of the next one. Our disagreements these days rarely last as long as half a minute and are usually over in seconds. They used to be 45 minutes and sometimes more!
He's such a good horse and such a wonderful character that I can't give up yet. Not while we are still making noticeable progress, however slow. As soon as the rain allows, I'm going to get him out more, to the farm ride and then the cross country course the moment it's available. Then in the showjumping training, it's time to change our methods.
We have him at 3 inches higher than the vast majority of what he'll see at Intro. He's more than competent at that, he's fantastic. Going outdoors he should transfer to even bigger with no problem because of the extra space. At least that's what's happened with every other horse I've trained! But we don't need more height anyway.
Our problem now is that he takes an instant and extremely strong dislike to unpredictable things, and he does not accept that I have any right to make him do what he doesn't want to. Out hacking, he recognises my right to do that now. Showjumping, he recognises my right to ask him to jump when he is unfocussed or a bit tired. We have to get him to recognise my right to tell him to jump things that look odd to him, even if we can't work out why they do. I don't get fifteen minutes in the middle of a showjumping round to persuade him that a two foot high blue filler isn't going to eat him!
So next time we are going to warm up as usual. We are going to get him jumping fluently over four good fences. Then SH is going to put the travel rug on one and I'm going to jump them again. Once he's done that, the rug moves to fence two, and so on. So that he realises that he can't expect things always to look the same every time, and must jump them anyway.
Hopefully, over the weeks, that message will sink in and the fights will get shorter, as they have done at home and hacking.
Regarding buying another horse, there is a complication - it's Zip. We don't want him developing similar problems, and I had planned to spend this year getting him out and about locally. I think that would also be great fun. If I buy a third that will simply have to go out of the window. Something to think about ......
C

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Good plan.
I have ALWAYS been told that the trouble with jumping always begins with the flatwork. (Barring, of course, some physical reason the horse may have.)
So, getting Jazz obedient to your aids at all times on the flat is a priority as well, and that includes all the nonsense when you are out hacking. (Hey, listen to me. I have the same trouble with a certain Thoroughbred I know!!)
Like Tucker, Jazz needs to respect and understand that your legs mean "go" no matter what, and your other aids tell him where to go.
Like Tuck he is a mix of arrogance and lack of confidence rolled into one. I too should have given up on Tucker long ago, but since I have no aspirations except to train Tucker, it's not really a big problem. You are more ambitious than I in the sense that you want to ride cross country, not simply tootle around the dressage arena.
I really believe that you will conquer this with Jazz. When you look back on the progress you have made so far, it is remarkable. Exposing him to all kinds of surprises in the jumping arena is an excellent idea. I have seen it work wonders.
Do remember, that really, he is still pretty "green" over fences and until he actually discovers that he can jump over one of those "monsters" he sees without getting eaten he will still be unsure about it. The more of them he faces and defeats, the less intimidating they will become.
You might also think of some little sound or gesture you can make each time he does something well. (A pat, a purr, kind of like a clicker) This might serve to reassure him in times of pressure when he gets worried. It would become an encouraging, "You can do it, Jazz."
I really do have faith in the both of you. Building trust takes a long time, as does building the bond you need to event successfully. Horse and rider must trust each other all the way. (Been there...know that!)
Hey, did you ever think of having SH jump the scary thing first? 'Course that won't work in the competition ring, but I wonder if seeing SH go over the jump and not get eaten might impress Jazz?? *lol...SH will now hate me forever*
Can't wait to hear how the new training methods work.
I have NEVER had a really easy horse and were I a pro trainer, every horse I have owned would have been quickly sold and replaced with something far better suited for what I had intended to do. But to me, making a tricky horse a success is the true joy. Jazz already has a world of physical talent, so you are much farther along than I usually am. So, go for it!
Jazz is still young and a warmblood, and you had to pull right back on work cos of the breathing issues.
And you like a challenge...if he didn't give you something to work with you would be so bored......keep looking back on how far he has progressed, its a lot further than you think, especially with all of his foibles, and wow what a horse he's going to make.
He really hasn't had a lot of work or experience yet.
I think it is a case of just keep taking him and taking him until he learns that he can do it. Can you do some pairs cross country for instance?
The "clicker/reward" sounds like a good idea.
He is a naughty boy though, but it is even more satisfying when things go right.
Judith
Ive been thinking about things and like Polo if Jazz doesnt like something you struggle to convince him its ok and your worried this wont change. But with Polo even if he doesnt like something he will accept being told and do what's being asked of him. It might be in a reluctant fashion or with an OTT reaction but he will accept my stance so I dont see any reason why you cant get past this with Jazz.You already have with hacking so it just needs to continue onto the jumping.
Yes this mindset is 'him' and probably always will be but with time and experience he'll take less convincing..hopefully:)
Interesting what you said Jean about the flatwork and them totally accepting going forward when asked being the key, this is exactly what Ryan and his partner believed. They evented up to 3#and they didnt do a huge amount jump training,they did lots of schooling and fitness work but think i only saw them pop the horse's over jumps a handfull of times.
Sounds like a good plan though and i reckon Zippy is well worth getting a few trips out this summer,he'l blow them away!
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Like Tuck he is a mix of arrogance and lack of confidence rolled into one.
Oh tooooo right!
Thanks for the support everyone. Jean that's actually a very good idea to have SH step over the fence. We'll try it.
None of the pro eventers jump much at home either Nicola. I never do once a horse is trained, I just go to the competitions. Tetley only jumped once every two weeks, at a competition. That's where I hope to get Jazz to, but when is anyone's guess.
Yes Mandeigh, I do like a challenge - I'd like just a little more confidence I'll win this one though, it's getting a little bit worrying now. As Judith says, he is certainly a naughty boy!
I'm intrigued that not one of you is commenting that I should give up the struggle. I guess you all feel as I do, that as long as we make identifiable progress, however slow, it's too soon to give in.
Bad news tonight is he's come in with a fat leg again and lame. Looks like that abcess is back, dang it!
C
"I'm intrigued that not one of you is commenting that I should give up the struggle. I guess you all feel as I do, that as long as we make identifiable progress, however slow, it's too soon to give in."
I never give in! Part of being obsessive compulsive!
I just think that you are going to end up with a real star, he's got character, a bit of temper, and tons of ability, and you know that once you have mastered the attitude, he's going to be unbeatable!
Oh Caroline I can almost taste your disappointment and frustration.
My thoughts for what they're worth (please forgive the waffle):
As someone else said he's only 5 and a WB - I think it sounds like he's got a lot of maturing to do mentally, my instant feeling is that the difference perhaps between a WB and a TB is raising its head. He needs that maturing time before he's going to process the information you want him to process. If you push too hard before he's mentally ready for this final challenge you risk turning him off it altogether. There are two approaches to my mind 1. you back right off him or 2. you hold your frustration in check and instead take a step back and make it boring and monotonous in that you jump him every single day at home (even if it's a 1ft jump in your indoor barn out of trot) over jumps as scary as you can construct that change every single day.
You know height isn't a problem and you know that you're already jumping bigger than necessary for Intro. So forget about all of that and work on the one thing he's still struggling with - the look of the fillers. Use everything you can get your hands on.
I don't think jumping once a week is enough - every day you need to leave the ground over odd looking obstacles.
How about getting an experienced horse to lead him over the stuff he objects to? Play follow my leader and make it very gung ho?
Robin used to hate fillers and so I feel your pain!
You'll get him through this because you want to but ultimately,personally, i'd be paying to have some really fantastic one on one instruction with a SJ trainer who knows all the tricks and a lot of the solutions.
Cassie
yep, C, he is only 5. Remember, WB are adult at 8 yrs old.
You can also try NH. NH won't get your fit, or get him jump better, but NH will help with any spooking problem etc...
You do not need to take Jazz to a clinic. You are a very experienced woman, you can only audit.
NH is a very powerfull technique "to submitt" horses without walloping them, BUT it is NOT gentle ....
Mandeigh your comment is spot on. Exactly I feel down to the obsessive compulsive bit!
Cassie I don't think he needs to jump. He does look at fillers but it's change that he has the big issue with. Things that are different from the way that they have been in the past. If I could take him to a different arena every single time ....... I'm really scared of boring him - he strikes me as a horse who could become seriously sulky and turned off if we bore him. It's such a complicated problem!
I've got two friends doing Parelli Muriel and I would borrow anything I thought would help. A lot of what he teaches is stuff I do unconsciously, like getting the focus of two eyes on me.
Thanks for the suggestions everyone.
C
i think the focus has to be on his breeding and maturity - if it's right that WB's only mature later, he's got some going to get there yet....
otherwise, i don't know enough about the subject to have anything useful to say!
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